“Collect It All”: Amy Goodman Talks with Glenn Greenwald about NSA Bugging Tech Hardware, Economic Espionage & Spying on U.N. on Democracy Now!

glenn_greenwald_portraitSubmitted by Elaine Magliaro

On Tuesday, Glenn Greenwald’s new book No Place to Hide: Edward Snowden, the NSA, and the U.S. Surveillance State was published. According to Democracy Now!, the book contains “dozens of previously secret NSA documents” that include NoPlacetoHidenew details about “how the NSA routinely intercepts routers, servers and other computer hardware devices” that are being exported from the United States.” Leaked documents published in Greenwald’s book reveal how the NSA “implants backdoor surveillance tools, repackages the devices with a factory seal and sends them on”—thus giving the NSA “access to entire networks and all their users.”

Earlier this week, Greenwald sat down with Amy Goodman on Democracy Now! He told her of other “new revelations about the NSA, including its global economic espionage, spying at the United Nations, and attempting to monitor in-flight Internet users and phone calls.”

Greenwald told Goodman, “Once people understood that this extraordinary system of suspicionless surveillance, which was truly unprecedented in scope, had been created completely in the dark, it became more than a surveillance story. It became a story about government secrecy and accountability and the role of journalism, and certainly privacy and surveillance in the digital age.”

Here’s an excerpt from the first part of Goodman’s interview with Glenn Greenwald:

You can view the entire first part of Goodman’s interview with Greenwald and read the transcript of that interview at the following link:

“Collect It All”: Glenn Greenwald on NSA Bugging Tech Hardware, Economic Espionage & Spying on U.N. (Democracy Now!)



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16 Responses to “Collect It All”: Amy Goodman Talks with Glenn Greenwald about NSA Bugging Tech Hardware, Economic Espionage & Spying on U.N. on Democracy Now!

  1. po says:

    That was an enlightening interview, Elaine. I was just yelling on twitter yesterday, after watching it, that Democracy Now deserves a listing on the Pulitzer Prize alongside Glenn Greenwald, Laura Poitras and the Guardian.. They have done a fantastic job offering them a platform to to do what they did.

  2. Elaine M. says:


    Amy Goodman isn’t part of the Beltway crowd. She’s a true journalist–like Jeremy Scahill and Greenwald, and some others that you rarely see on the Sunday “News” shows.

  3. po says:

    Indeed! I was so pleasantly surprised to learn, which wasn’t shocking really, that Jeremy Scahill is an alumnus of Democracy Now. And I had gained even more respect for Amy when i saw footage of her covering the Indonesian massacres of the population by the military junta, with the help of the CIA of course, at the risk of loss of life and limbs.

  4. Elaine M. says:

    Did you read Scahill’s book about Blackwater?


    British Spies Face Legal Action Over Secret Hacking Programs
    By Ryan Gallagher
    13 May 2014

    The United Kingdom’s top spy agency is facing legal action following revelations published by The Intercept about its involvement in secret efforts to hack into computers on a massive scale.

    Government Communications Headquarters, or GCHQ, has been accused of acting unlawfully by helping to develop National Security Agency surveillance systems capable of covertly breaking into potentially millions of computers and networks across the world.

    In a legal complaint filed on Tuesday, the London-based civil liberties group Privacy International alleges that the hacking techniques violated European human rights law and are not subject to sufficient safeguards against abuse. The complaint cites a series of details contained in a report published by The Intercept in March, which exposed how GCHQ was closely involved in the NSA’s efforts to rapidly expand its ability to deploy so-called “implants” to infiltrate computers.

    GCHQ and the NSA have developed an array of the sophisticated surveillance implants, according to documents from NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, with each of the spy tools tailored for a different purpose. Some are used to compromise large-scale internet networks so that the spies can sweep up private data as it is passing through them. Others infect specific computers with malicious software that effectively gives the agencies total control of a target’s machine – enabling them to take covert snapshots using its webcam, record audio using its microphone, log what is being typed on the keyboard, collect data from any removable flash drive that is connected, and snoop its Web browsing history.

  5. po says:

    No, not yet. It is that book that made me become aware of him, I have it on my list, and will get to it at some point. Just watched the movie he made recently, which was quite enlightening, and also so frustrating about our international policies that are sure to blow back into our face.

  6. Blouise says:

    Thanks Elaine

  7. swarthmoremom says:

    http://my.firedoglake.com/jpsottile/2014/02/28/things-are-getting-weird-at-first-look-media/ “Yeah, it is shocking. It turns out that the eBay founder-billionaire backing First Look also funded anti-government forces in Ukraine. Ames reports:

    What’s shocking is the name of the billionaire who co-invested with the US government (or as Wheeler put it: the “dark force” acting on behalf of “Pax Americana”).

    Step out of the shadows…. Wheeler’s boss, Pierre Omidyar.

    Yes, in the annals of independent media, this might be the strangest twist ever: According to financial disclosures and reports seen by Pando, the founder and publisher of Glenn Greenwald’s government-bashing blog,“The Intercept,” co-invested with the US government to help fund regime change in Ukraine.

    So. Here we are…looking for great reporting, cutting-edge journalism and something to rely upon in this ever-evolving news scrum of the 21st Century, and it turns out that Mr. Moneybags not only has his hand in journalism, but he’s got his other hand in covert regime change with cohorts who might make some of us a bit squeamish.”

  8. Tony C. says:

    SMOM: Greenwald’s response:
    Despite its being publicly disclosed, I was not previously aware that the Omidyar Network donated to this Ukrainian group. That’s because, prior to creating The Intercept with Laura Poitras and Jermey Scahill, I did not research Omidyar’s political views or donations. That’s because his political views and donations are of no special interest to me – any more than I cared about the political views of the family that owns and funds Salon (about which I know literally nothing, despite having worked there for almost 6 years), or any more than I cared about the political views of those who control the Guardian Trust.

    re: Omidyar’s access to NSA docs:

    Other than generally conveying that there is much reporting left to be done on these documents – something I’ve publicly said many times – I don’t believe I’ve ever even had a single discussion with him about a single document in the archive.

    re: the independence if First Look staff:

    But what I do know is that I would never temper, limit, suppress or change my views for anyone’s benefit – as anyone I’ve worked with will be happy to tell you – and my views on such interference in other countries isn’t going to remotely change no matter the actual facts here. I also know that I’m free to express those views without the slightest fear. And I have zero doubt that that’s true of every other writer at The Intercept.

    Omidyar helped fund (with $200K) a campaign exposing corruption in the Ukraine; that led to the ouster of the Ukrainian President. I would not define that as “dark forces,” it sounds like the forces of light to me.

  9. Bob, Esq. says:

    Everyone should know just how much the government lied to defend the NSA

    A web of deception has finally been untangled: the Justice Department got the US supreme court to dismiss a case that could have curtailed the NSA’s dragnet. Why?


  10. Bob, Esq. says:

    Greenwald’s book is excellent by the way.

  11. Elaine M. says:


    Thanks for the link to the article in The Guardian.

  12. swarthmoremom says:

    http://thedailybanter.com/2013/12/why-wikileaks-doesn/ “One of the most troubling aspects of Glenn Greenwald’s new yet-to-be-named media company is the man behind it, Pierre Omidyar. The billionaire founder of eBay is a hardcore libertarian who believes fervently in privatization and the power of the free market, and will soon own a media company that purports to want to attack the establishment.

    As I’ve argued before, billionaire oligarchs don’t get into the news business to, a) lose money or, b) undermine their own vast financial interests. So it’s fair to ask Omidyar and Greenwald whether their “adversarial” news company will be adversarial to people like, say, Omidyar himself, or whether it will release the reported NSA leaks pertaining to the government’s collaboration with PayPal (another Omidyar backed venture).

    So far, we only know that “NewCo” (the temporary name the principals are using for the outlet before it launches) will be focusing on the government. Jeremy Scahill, another journalist involved in the project, stated in an interview with Democracy Now! that:

    It was clear that Pierre’s goal with this, which was to build a news organization that would have an inherently adversarial posture toward the state and those in power, was in line with what we wanted to do.

    With no mention whatsoever of going after private power, is it safe to assume they won’t?

    Pando Daily writers Paul Carr, Mark Ames and Yasha Levine have asked Greenwald to state whether he will hold Omidyar to the same standards he holds everyone else to, particularly given the fact his new boss supported going after journalists who leak documents from private companies. Back in 2009, Omidyar tweeted this after TechCrunch published leaked documents from Twitter:

  13. swarthmoremom says:

    Tony C, Just saying that one needs to wary of funding by oligarchs.

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