Rep. Peter King of New York Thinks That Eric Garner Was Responsible for His Own Death (VIDEO)

Rep. Peter King R-NY

Rep. Peter King

By Elaine Magliaro

On Wednesday, the announcement was made that a Staten Island grand jury had declined to indict Daniel Pantaleo, the NYPD officer who placed Eric Garner in a fatal chokehold. According to reports, the city’s medical examiner ruled Garner’s death to be a homicide and “attributed it to the use of a chokehold.”

While protesters took to the streets in New York City, Congressman Peter King (R-NY) appeared on CNN. During his appearance on CNN with Wolf Blitzer, King defended the actions of the police in the killing of Eric Garner. King said that the officer, who used an illegal chokehold on Garner, “was just doing his job.” King even suggested that Garner was actually responsible for his own death. He said, “If he had not had asthma, and a heart condition, and was so obese, he would not have died from this.”

Inae Oh (Mother Jones):

Garner had repeatedly exclaimed “I can’t breathe” during the arrest, as seen in the video recorded by bystanders. Nevertheless, King questioned whether Garner had pleaded for help, telling Blitzer, “The fact is, if you can’t breathe, you can’t talk.” He added: “I have no doubt if that was a 350-pound white guy, he would have been treated the same.”


Judd Legum (Think Progress) said that King personally thanked the grand jury for not indicting the officer and “doing justice” on Twitter.


Congressman Says Eric Garner Is Responsible For His Own Death: He ‘Was So Obese’ (ThinkProgress)

Rep. Peter King Blames Chokehold Death on Eric Garner’s “Obesity” (Mother Jones)

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56 Responses to Rep. Peter King of New York Thinks That Eric Garner Was Responsible for His Own Death (VIDEO)

  1. Bob Kauten says:

    King is right. It’s been proven by experience, that being large and black (which frightens cowardly police officers) is grounds for lethal self-defense.
    And Garner was selling individual cigarettes, which makes him a thug. It’s almost as bad as stealing a few cigars.
    I think that Garner should be charged, posthumously, with contributing to a death while committing a misdemeanor.

  2. nivico says:

    “King even suggested that Garner was actually responsible for his own death. He said, “If he had not had asthma, and a heart condition, and was so obese, he would not have died from this.”

    That he was morbidly obese and likely had a host of health conditions should have been obvious to the officers involved as well and it should have played a role in how they handled the situation.

    The bottom line, though, is that it was a simple ticketable offense… they didn’t need to arrest him if they actually saw him engaging in illegal sales of cigarettes. They could have written him a citation and called it a day.

    I suspect they didn’t see him selling cigarettes, though, and they attempted to arrest him to obtain evidence by triggering a search incident to arrest.

  3. nivico says:

    “King questioned whether Garner had pleaded for help, telling Blitzer, “The fact is, if you can’t breathe, you can’t talk.” ”

    Ugh… I am so tired of seeing this lame excuse. Should Garner have given more thought to his cries for help and qualified his pleas with “I can’t breath well”?

    Of course someone being physically choked can still talk to an extent, it doesn’t mean they can breath well enough, though.

    And the folks nitpicking over the difference between a head lock and a choke hold; the autopsy found petechial hemmorhaging and edema… signs and evidence of choking and strangulation.

    The man’s dead and they’re acting like he was lying about not being able to breath?!

  4. Some karma upon the harmas is just darna

  5. mespo727272 says:

    I have no doubt that being a Republican doesn’t make one stupid but it sure helps.

  6. eniobob says:

    Folks this one is off the charts here in the metropolitan New Jersey/New York area.

    Mr Garner was selling*** CIGARETTES*****,not pot,not coke,not meth,not heroin etc.At 50 cents a smoke,Grossing $ 10.00 per pack corporations are sending millions of dollars off shore to avoid paying taxes.That is one of the incredible issues that has come forth had he been paying taxes on those ****LOOSEYS*** as they are called he would not of had a problem.

    HOMICIDE: Medical examiner says NYPD chokehold killed Staten Island dad Eric Garner
    The 43-year-old dad died July 17 after cops on Staten Island attempted to arrest him for selling untaxed cigarettes. ‘Thank God the truth is finally out,’ the man’s widow said Friday after the report was unveiled.

    Homicide not suicide,not hit and run *** HOMICIDE**** as you ***SEE*** in the above link the whole altercation,again as you can ***SEE*** Medical examiner rules ***HOMICIDE*** Trayvon Martin no witness per say,Eric Brown no witnesses accorDing to McCCULLOCH.The whole world has
    seen this video still no bill.Well there is still the twelve year old in Ohio.The teenager in St Louis,and the stairwell shooting in the Bronx:

    Panicked rookie NYPD officer fatally shoots unarmed 28-year-old man in Brooklyn’s Pink Houses project
    The uniformed officer fired a single, fatal shot into Akai Gurley’s chest moments after he and his girlfriend entered a stairwell in the Pink Houses on Linden Blvd. in East New York on Thursday night, police said. Gurley was not armed, a police source said. ‘They just pulled a gun and shot him in the chest,’ Gurley’s girlfriend said.

    More unfortunately to come.

  7. swarthmoremom says:

    President Obama addressed the grand jury decision on Wednesday, saying: “When anybody in America is not being treated equally under the law, that’s a problem, and it’s my job to solve it.” “[A] Justice Department official told CBS that the investigation into Garner’s death is the same sort of investigation opened into the shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri,” CBS News reports. “It is also the same kind of investigation opened into the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, which remains ‘ongoing’ nearly three years later.”

    Attorney General Eric Holder officially announced the civil rights probe on Wednesday evening.

  8. swarthmoremom says: Rand Paul blames Eric Garner’s death on cigarette taxes.

  9. Elaine M. says:

    NOTE: Eniobob left the following comment on my post about Tamir Rice:


    “Court records show that within the past two years, three men sued Daniel Pantaleo — the officer seen wrapping his arm around Garner’s neck — over allegedly unlawful, racially motivated arrests. Garner was black.

    In the first lawsuit, settled by the city in January, two black men accused Pantaleo and other officers of arresting them without cause and subjecting them to a “humiliating and unlawful strip search” on the street in which they were ordered to “pull their pants and underwear down, squat and cough.” The men said they were held overnight on charges that were ultimately dismissed.

    In a second lawsuit, a man accused Pantaleo and other officers of misrepresenting facts in a police report and other documents to substantiate charges that also were dismissed.

    The president of the city’s largest police union called Pantaleo’s reassignment an unwarranted, knee-jerk decision.

    In addition to Pantaleo, an eight-year NYPD veteran, a second officer who has been with the department for four years was taken off the street but retained his gun and badge. The reassignments will remain in effect while prosecutors and internal affairs detectives probe Garner’s death, police said.”

  10. Elaine M. says:

    Who Is Daniel Pantaleo? NYPD Officer Who Killed Eric Garner Was Accused Of Misconduct Before Chokehold Death
    By Thomas Barrabi
    December 03 2014

    Pantaleo was sued twice in the past for alleged racially motivated misconduct while on the job. Two black men accused him in 2012 of subjecting them to an illegal strip search in broad daylight. Pantaleo purportedly “tapped” each man’s testicles during the search, which he claimed was a bid to discover any contraband, the Daily News reported. The suit was settled last January.

    In a second lawsuit, a man named Rylawn Walker accused a group of NYPD officers that included Pantaleo of arresting him despite the fact that he was “committing no crime at the time and was not acting in a suspicious manner” and of including misleading data on a police report to justify the arrest, the Staten Island Advance reported. Charges against the man were ultimately dismissed.

  11. Elaine M. says:


    Another video, reported by the New York Post, shows that neither cops nor emergency medical respondents gave medical assistance to Garner as he lay unconscious on a sidewalk for at least six minutes.

  12. Mike Spindell says:

    I made this comment today on the big Ferguson thread as supporting the comments from Mike Dunford, but I think it is relevant on this thread as well.

    From Mike Dunford:
    “But in most places a death that results from oxygen deprivation due to a chokehold, particularly when applied by someone who has reason to know that chokeholds can be deadly, will support a deliberate homicide charge of some kind.”

    Mike Dunford, that there should have been an indictment in most localities is absolutely true based on the known particulars of the case. However, when it comes to police officers they seem to be exempt from indictment and/or penalty. This is the real point of Ferguson because it is just one incident, in a flood of incidents, where this country has refused to hold police officers to the same standard as the rest of us.

    “I think a lot of the reason there is so much preexisting tension between the police and the members of the community both in the Staten Island case and in Ferguson is because there are so many commonalities between day-to-day law enforcement in those places and military occupation of an area by a foreign power.”

    You are also on point with the above and it reflects the frustrations of communities where there is either or both, a population of people of color and/or lower economic status. However, it must be noted that in general since 9/11 there has been an emphasis placed on militarizing police operations (see here: and here: ). Just briefly, from a military standpoint all individuals that aren’t part of ones’ unit are suspect and potentially lethal. This allows for low tolerance of actions that might be either deemed suspicious and/or resistant to authority. This has become a core idea of police training throughout the country. It also has carried over into the justice system and because of that potential homicides like the Staten Island case are just seen as something that simply is an acceptable “negative consequence” of “active duty. That our civilian casualties have become an acceptable consequence of policing reflects the tragedy of this militarization. The ultimate responsibility lies not with the individual perpetrators but with those who would use the fear engendered by 9/11, as a means to destroy the Constitution and create a police state in America.

    I would ad that Peter King is one of those authoritarian police state minded individuals, which is ironic in that he has a suspected history of giving aid to the Irish Republican Army’s terrorist activities during the Northern Ireland problems.

  13. Elaine M. says:

    But Mike….Irish terrorists are white…and they aren’t thugs who cell cigarettes on the street!

    • Mike Spindell says:


      I use to live in Peter King’s district on Long Island and have detested him for years. He was never shall we say sympathetic towards people of color.


    “I don’t know, I honestly don’t know what to say,” [Stewart] stammered.

    “If comedy is tragedy plus time, I need more fucking time,” Stewart said. “But I would really settle for less fucking tragedy to be honest with you.”

    Stewart was flabbergasted by the fact that the Garner case, unlike the Michael Brown case, had videotaped evidence but still ended with the same result.

    “Damn,” Stewart said. “We are definitely not living in a post-racial society. And I can imagine there are lot of people out there wondering how much of a society we’re living in at all.”

    A valid question when the police themselves are placed above the law, Jon.

  15. Elaine M. says:


    Regarding our “post-racial society: I just posted the following on my Tamir Rice piece:

    ‘I hate n*ggers. That is all’: 5 Ohio deputies probed for years of racist text messages

    The Montgomery County Sheriff’s Department revealed this week that five deputies were under investigation for allegedly sending racist text messages while on duty.

    In a statement on Tuesday, Sheriff Phil Plummer said that two of the five deputies — Sheriff’s Capt. Thomas J. Flanders and Detective Michael J. Sollenberger — had been placed on indefinite paid administrative leave starting on Dec. 1.

    According to WDTN, Flanders is in charge of the Montgomery County Jail, and Sollenberger works with the internal affairs unit and is a member of the SWAT team. The three other deputies had not been identified by name, and had not been suspended.

  16. eniobob says:

    Gene :


    “Stewart was flabbergasted by the fact that the Garner case, unlike the Michael Brown case, had videotaped evidence but still ended with the same result.”

    And now people are saying so what good is a ***BODY CAMERA***!

  17. eniobob says:

    BTW :

    Just caught a discussion on ****
    Where and attorney was saying that we the United States are one of the few remaining countries that use the Grand Jury Systemj.

  18. eniobob,

    I’ve long thought there are merits to doing away with the grand jury system, the main being it would force more accountability back on prosecutors.

    • Mike Spindell says:

      I’ve long thought there are merits to doing away with the grand jury system, the main being it would force more accountability back on prosecutors.”

      I also think getting rid of GJ’s might be beneficial because of the accountability angle. I would add that it also gives the patina of propriety and fairness, that almost never exists. Also what hasn’t been part of the discussion is tat while supposedly made up of the same citizens that make up the jury pool, historically because they sit for longer terms, grand jurors tend to be retired, or otherwise not bound to the strictures of making a living, in fact in the beginning of the systm plutocrats were usually the ones who sat on GJ’s.

  19. Mike,

    As one borne in Queens and lived much of my life in all boroughs and Jursey (how we say it)….you nailed it on the compare notes.

    Staten (dump) Island is home of “the boys”; and negrahs arent really welcome

  20. eniobob says:

    BTW: Breakdown of Jurors

    14 white
    4 mixed race ?

    12 voted not indict according to info on the above Brian lerher show link on

  21. eniobob says:

    Rand Paul just wrecked his ’16 campaign: Watch his awful Eric Garner answer
    GOP hero turns question of excessive police force into a phony tax issue — and shows why he’ll never be president.

  22. Until MitTwit is paased away or indicted, you’ll need not worry about any Psuls, or Perrys, or Bushies or Christies.

    The POTUS wannabe (and purported g0d of another planet to be) had a vision of ruding a white horse in the White House.

    And we all know, prophecy dreams come true….

  23. Depending on what you are smoking, that is…..

  24. Inga says:

    How incredibly ignorant of King. So he thinks that because Garner could speak and say “I can’t breath” 11 times that he was not having an increasingly difficult time breathing, as is soft tissue and windpipe damage was swelling to further cut off his airway? Good lord, this is the kind of ignorance and devaluization of black Americans we see coming from the right. It’s disgusting.

  25. Isnt it ironic that you cant trust the US Trustee program, that the Dept of Justice isnt just and the.purported right is usually wrong

  26. Mike Spindell says:

    I was born in Brooklyn, moved to Queens and then Long Island. Came back to Queens after my parents died. I’ve lived extensively as an adult in Manhattan, Brooklyn and Queens, in addition to Long Island. The Bronx also has many nice areas, but Staten Island to me seems a wasteland and more New Jersey, than New York. 🙂

  27. Mike,

    When you look at systemic functionality, grand juries really serve no meaningful function outside of political function in the adjudication process. They are an ancient artifact best done away with. The appendix of the criminal justice system.

  28. Elaine M. says:

    NYC mayor and police union chief clash over Garner decision

    Tensions rose on Thursday as New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio and NYPD union chief Patrick Lynch clashed over a New York grand jury’s decision not to indict an officer in the death of Eric Garner, with de Blasio saying “the way we do policing needs to change” and Lynch accusing the Democratic mayor of “throwing [police officers] under the bus.”

    Lynch, the president of the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association (PBA), also criticized Garner, who died from an apparent chokehold at the hands of the officer, saying “he made a choice.”

  29. NBC says:

    Gene: When you look at systemic functionality, grand juries really serve no meaningful function outside of political function in the adjudication process. They are an ancient artifact best done away with. The appendix of the criminal justice system.

    So you are proposing a constitutional amendment rather than a more likely approach of trying to undo what the Supreme Court has done to the Grand Jury? I have no idea what you mean by ‘systemic functionality’ but I am sure it is a fascinating hypothesis, does it involve Machiavelli?

    I believe that not only has the Grand Jury not become an ancient relic, but also that it can and should be restored to its proper function.

    As a second best alternative I would be willing to accept a judge who does the probable cause examination.

    What other parts of the criminal system do you want to sacrifice?

  30. Eliminate, reform, I’m open to either option. However, given the state of play in D.C, today, elimination is probably the safer option. I’m a technocrat. I view government as an engineered system. In that system, accountability is often shall we say lacking. Eliminating grand juries forces that accountability back on the prosecutors but a preliminary judicial review of cause would serve as a brake on incompetent or malicious prosecution. As a practical matter of economy, such a review should probably be limited to felonies and possibly misdemeanors where the prosecution seeks jail time. In re the Constitution, look at the wording of Art. V.:

    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger;

    The capital offense language is clear and arguably functional. Death is the ultimate penalty and a GJ may be of more that just political use in that scenario. However, “otherwise infamous crimes” is a subjective and nebulous standard. I’m also a soft rule utilitarian. I understand the need to pliant functions in the system, but far from being simply pliant, that standard is flexible to the point of useless. That is the reason though I’d be open to reform. Grand juries need a properly defined and narrower scope to aid in reducing their political abuse or they need to be replaced with judicial review and eliminated altogether. Despite that (I think) all of the states having GJ provisions, today only about half use them. The loss of that component would not break the system.

  31. Elaine M. says:

    It Wasn’t Just the Chokehold
    Eric Garner, Daniel Pantaleo and Lethal Police Tactics

    But among the many needed reforms, there is one simple area that risks being overlooked. Besides the banned chokehold used by Officer Daniel Pantaleo, who brought Mr. Garner down, throwing a beefy arm around his neck, there was lethal danger in the way Mr. Garner was subdued — on his stomach, with a pile of cops on his back.

    This breaks a basic rule of safe arrests, especially for people who, like Mr. Garner, are overweight and have medical problems like asthma. When the New York medical examiner’s office ruled Mr. Garner’s death a homicide, it cited “compression of neck (choke hold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police.”

    As early as 1995, a Department of Justice bulletin on “positional asphyxia” quoted the New York Police Department’s guidelines on preventing deaths in custody. “As soon as the subject is handcuffed, get him off his stomach. Turn him on his side or place him in a seated position.”

    As Michael Baden, a former chief medical examiner of New York City, told The Times: “Obese people especially, lying face down, prone, are unable to breathe when enough pressure is put on their back. The pressure prevents the diaphragm from going up and down, and he can’t inhale and exhale.”

    Which is exactly what Mr. Garner was trying to tell the officers who were on top of him.

  32. “Jon Stewart began “The Daily Show” on Thursday night with an apology for saying on Wednesday night’s show that no one involved in the death of Eric Garner had been indicted.

    As it turns out, the person who recorded the video of Garner being choked was indicted on weapons charges.

    “They got the shooter… of the video,” Stewart said. “Let that be a lesson to you kids out there. Photographing crime does not pay.”

    Some quickly moved to blame Garner’s death by choking at the hands of New York City police officer Daniel Pantaleo on just about anything other than the officer’s chokehold.

    Fox News host Sean Hannity argued that the chokehold wasn’t really a chokehold. Rep. Pete King (R-N.Y.) blamed Garner’s size and health. Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) even blamed cigarette taxes.

    “What the fuck are you talking about?” Stewart asked after hearing Paul’s remarks. “Well I guess now we know what it takes for a senator from Kentucky to admit cigarettes can kill.”

    Check out the full clip above. “

  33. Elaine M. says:

    Grand Jury In Eric Garner Case Wasn’t Asked To Consider ‘Reckless Endangerment’ Charge: Report
    The Huffington Post | By Andres Jauregui

    The Staten Island District Attorney did not ask the Eric Garner grand jury to consider reckless endangerment charges against NYPD officer Daniel Pantaleo, NBC New York reports.

    An unnamed source familiar with the case told the station that District Attorney Daniel Donovan only asked jurors to consider charges of manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide as they heard evidence.

    Under New York law, reckless endangerment entails conduct that causes a substantial risk of serious physical injury or death to another person. Garner, a 43-year-old asthmatic, died after Pantaleo put him in a chokehold in July.

  34. Elaine M. says:

    Chokehold Cop Is ‘Eagle Scout’ Blameless In Eric Garner’s Death, NYPD Union President Says
    The Huffington Post | By Christopher Mathias

    The president of the NYPD’s largest police union said Thursday that the officer who put Eric Garner into a fatal chokehold is an Eagle Scout who shouldn’t be blamed for the death.

    Pat Lynch, president of the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association, did fault one person for the death: Eric Garner.

    “We believe Mr. Garner made a choice that day to resist arrest,” Lynch told reporters during a press conference Thursday, according to NBC New York.

    “You cannot resist arrest,” Lynch said, adding that doing so often leads to dangerous confrontations.

    Lynch commended the Staten Island grand jury for voting Wednesday not to indict NYPD Officer Daniel Pantaleo in Garner’s death. He thanked the panel members for “not looking at just one snippet of a video that doesn’t tell the whole story, but listening to every bit of evidence.”

    Garner died on July 17 after Pantaleo put him into a chokehold during an arrest for allegedly selling untaxed cigarettes. Chokeholds are prohibited by NYPD guidelines.

    Lynch argued Thursday that Pantaleo did not actually use a chokehold on Garner, DNAinfo reported, but rather used “textbook training” to subdue the 43-year-old father of six.

    The video shows Pantaleo with his arm around Garner’s neck as a prostrate Garner screams “I can’t breathe!” 11 times.

    “If you can speak, you can breathe,” Lynch said Thursday, according to DNAinfo, practically parroting a comment made by Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) Wednesday night. Like King, Lynch said Garner’s poor health partly contributed to his death.

  35. bron98 says:

    Garner was 6-foot-3 and 350 pounds. Using a headlock to bring down a man of that size was appropriate.

    Headlocks are used in thousands of arrests each year, especially of individuals not cooperating with the police. I used the maneuver in dozens of arrests.

    And it was a headlock, not a chokehold. To be a chokehold, there must be constant pressure on the person’s neck, compressing his windpipe or cutting off the flow of blood to the carotid artery, rendering him unconscious.

  36. Elaine M. says:

    Eric Garner’s Death By Police Chokehold Ruled A Homicide
    Posted: 08/01/2014 3:27 pm EDT Updated: 08/02/2014 12:59 pm EDT

    NEW YORK (AP) — A medical examiner ruled Friday that a police officer’s chokehold caused the death of a man whose videotaped arrest and final pleas of “I can’t breathe!” sparked outrage and led to the overhaul of use-of-force training for the nation’s largest police department.

    Eric Garner, a black man whose confrontation with a white police officer has prompted calls by the Rev. Al Sharpton for federal prosecution, was killed by neck compressions from the chokehold and “the compression of his chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police,” city medical examiner spokeswoman Julie Bolcer said.

    Asthma, heart disease and obesity were contributing factors in the death of the 43-year-old Garner, a 6-foot-3, 350-pound father of six, she said.

  37. Bob Kauten says:

    Your reading Murdoch’s NY Post explains a great deal.
    Watch the video. He’s choked, as in compressing his windpipe.
    Tell the coroner that he’s wrong.
    Do you deliberately state the most ridiculous, contrary opinion on every subject, or is there something obvious with which you concur, like, for instance, whether it’s day or night?

  38. Bob Kauten says:

    Oh, almost forgot. There was no reason to bring Garner down to the pavement, in the first place. He threatened no one. The punk cop attacked him from behind with the choke-hold, most likely to show his buddies what a hard-ass he is.

  39. Elaine M. says:

    Fat-Shaming Eric Garner
    Representative Peter King thinks the man died at the hands of New York police because he was obese.

    “You had a 350-pound person who was resisting arrest,” King said. “If he had not had asthma and a heart condition and was so obese, he almost definitely would not have died from this.”

    King might be one of the first defenders of the grand jury decision to point out Garner’s size, but something tells me he won’t be the last. King’s remarks echo the disturbing exaggeration of Michael Brown’s size and strength throughout the recent (and similar) Ferguson case.

    It’s worth remembering that the coroner’s report said Garner died of “compression of neck (chokehold), compression of chest, and prone positioning during physical restraint by police.” It also ruled his death a homicide.

    There have been several deaths linked to chokeholds by NYPD officers in the past few decades, even though the practice was formally banned by the department in the early 1990s. Surely asthma and weight are not to blame for all of them.

    A suspect’s visible medical condition should make police behave with more, not less, caution during an arrest.

    Garner was obese. He is also dead. The first does not excuse the second.

  40. bron98 says:


    Take it up with Bo Dietl.

    I disagree with most everything you post. So what?

    Was his larnyx crushed? If he couldnt breath, how could he speak?

    Should he be dead? No.

    Government killed him, that is what over regulation does. He is dead as a direct result of taxation.

    Cops were only inforcing bullshit laws. Get rid of a tax on cigarettes before another poor soul dies.

    How many people have to die to end the cigarette tax?

    Stupid fking law, stupid fking left wing politicians.

  41. Bron,
    There is a long pattern of police continuing to restrain people with choke holds and other means long after they are controlled. When someone…anyone…indicates respiratory distress, no matter how it is communicated, the first thing to do is make sure they have a clear airway. Always, No exceptions.

    It is instinct to try and free your throat if you are choking or can’t breathe. That is NOT resisting arrest. If those officers worked for any department I consult with, I would jerk their POST* certifications immediately. Before they got any POST certification back, they would have undergone the most rigorous psychological screening imaginable.

    Additionally, I am not shy about doing it, I have voided POST certifications before.

    *POST = Peace Officer Standards & Training (a state agency in most states). States with POST Commissions require both medical and psychological certification before being able to work as an officer.

  42. Bob Kauten says:

    So taxes killed Garner, just like they kill all individual initiative and the free market and our right to live off society without contributing to it? Did I leave any libertarian bullshit out?
    That’s funny, I thought I saw a cop kill Garner, not taxes.
    A dying person might say, “I can’t breathe,” if the person is having difficulty breathing. Do you always parrot the dumbest remarks you can find, in this case, spoken by the police union rep?
    Yes, of course if you’re not breathing, you can’t speak. The time to tell people that you can’t breathe, is while you’re having difficulty breathing. Why do I need to explain this to an adult?
    Draw your own conclusion.
    I know of Bo Diddley, but not Bo Dietl.
    Take it up with the Pastafarians. Tell it to the Marines. Speak to the hand.

  43. bron98 says:


    What is wrong with selling single cigarettes? Why is there a law against it? The philosophy at play which would think it a good idea to prevent people from selling cigarettes one at a time, is what killed Mr. Garner.

    People should be allowed to sell whatever they want on the public sidewalk, they paid for it. New York, being a bastion of progressive philosophy, probably makes it terribly hard to get a business license and it probably is expensive and time consuming.

    I just did the NYC business wizard and to sell cigarettes on the sidewalk I need to fill out forms and comply with the following:

    No wonder Mr. Garner just went ahead and did it. He provided a needed service and kepts bums from bumming cigarettes.

    Statism killed him. He would be alive today in a free market.

  44. Elaine M. says:


    “So taxes killed Garner.”

    Yeah…yeah…cigarette taxes did it. That’s the ticket.

  45. bron98 says:


    Apparantly Rand Paul beet me to the cigarette tax punch but only by a day.

    “I think it’s hard not to watch that video of him saying ‘I can’t breathe, I can’t breathe’ and not be horrified by it,” Paul said. “But I think there’s something bigger than the individual circumstances. Obviously, the individual circumstances are important. But I think it is also important to know that some politician put a tax of $5.85 on a pack of cigarettes, so they’ve driven cigarettes underground so as to not make them so expensive.”

    “Toobin said on Thursday that Paul was “the only person” blaming Garner’s death on the cigarette tax, which was a misreading of the case.”

    Toobin is wrong about that, I am too. If there was a free market in cigarettes, Mr. Garner would be alive today. Progressive philosophy caused his death. It is the ultimate destroyer.

  46. bron98 says:

    Garner wasn’t targeted for death because he was avoiding taxes, but nonetheless, prohibitive cigarette taxes unnecessarily generate situations that make events such as this possible. We frame violence in this way all the time. We often talk about unintended consequences. When we discuss how women who immigrated to this country illegally can be the helpless victims of domestic violence, we also blame unfair laws for creating the situation. When we talk about the war on drugs and how it creates millions of nonviolent criminals and needless abuse by the Drug Enforcement Administration and others, liberals have little problem blaming the underlying policy that makes all of that possible. With good reason.

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