Good one, Elaine. And that opinion is from an Independent conservative. I made a similar reference to the phenomena (“evidence to the contrary”) on the John Oliver/SSM thread. We can all differ in opinion, vociferously at times, but we can all recognize an idiot/fool when we see one. Guys with that mentality portrayed in the cartoon will never “lead’ anything, let alone a revolution…they’ll be too busy hiding.
Coincidently, as I may have cited before, I had the misfortune of keeping our horses on 100 acres, across the street from one Robert Miles, one time head of the state’s KKK, later a Hayden Lake aficionado vis a vis the “Aryan Nation”, and finally his own little patch of deluded bliss…”The Mountain Church.” He’d organize 100-200 person “celebrations” of “white power” periodically, including the de rigueur cross burning. His home also had the symbol for Anarchists emblazoned on his house front…and his collection of adherents were an assortment of unapologetic Nazi’s, skinheads, and sundry racists, all scrawny and all white. Mr Miles died a while back and no one local much recalls him anymore…except for bombing of school buses in Pontiac.
I avoided him as best I could, because if we’d come to contretemps, as we certainly would have, the risk was too great: we had too many expensive & endearing horses near him in pasture…and he was the kind who’d sneak up at night to harm or kill the horses. One comical aspect of his rallies were the “security guards” he posted in the bushes around his place, all about as concealed as the floats in Thanksgiving Parades…and all in camo and all with rifles, but totally without any knowledge of how to hold a perimeter. Many had rank insignia & ribbons patched haphazardly on their garb, that they could never have earned, due the dates alone. Any decent infantry squad could have taken them out with ease and then gone to have an early lunch.
This Roof guy reminds me of a Robert Miles mini-me.
I. Annie … with all due respect, you insult farmers by calling racists bigots “Rednecks.” Roof was no “Redneck”…from his photos it doesn’t appear he ever did any hard work…even after two rounds of cancer and considerable loss of muscle I am still more sturdy, in my 70’s, than that little weasel. As I’ve said before, I am only sorry he didn’t get killed trying to escape.
“Redneck” has changed meaning over the last several decades, as have many words.
All farmers are not rednecks, and no one thinks that they are, save those who are searching frantically for reasons to be offended.
Victim-hood is so in, these days.
I am deeply offended by your taking offense at those looking to take offense wherever they can make it.
“Redneck” is an odd term though. Its denotation isn’t necessarily bad although inherently classist. Its connotation though is a sometimes unfair coupling to make the term synonymous with “racist” when the truth is there are probably just as many redneck non-racists as there are more – for lack of a better term – urbane racists. Racism is a behavior that has no delimiting lines in our species. It acts across social, racial and cultural boundaries. Rich or poor, city or rural, educated or not, regardless of the speaker’s race, racism is an error that can and does appear all over the spectrum.
I believe redneck has more than one definition. From The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language (Third Edition):
Definition 2: One who is regarded as having a provincial, conservative, often bigoted sociopolitical attitude.
I assumed that was the definition that I.Annie had in mind when she wrote the Redneck Brigade. I never thought for a minute that she meant to imply that farmers typically have the same attitude toward black people as Roof.
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Bob K.,
Yes, some folks do look for reasons to be offended.
I am also deeply offended by fire extinguishers and dictionaries.
What really offends me most though? The strong nuclear force. How dare it bind protons, neutrons and their constituent quarks together! Why . . . that takes more nerve than electromagnetism!
Elaine … I agree with you vis a vis my comment to I.Annie…I need to polish my tongue in check lines a bit I think. I do stand by my comment that Roof was no “Redneck” … not even close. My reference to farmers was to those have sunburned necks from toiling in the sun light. That’s the old version…Bob K is right, the meaning has been diluted to almost the point of meaninglessness. It is sad that the “bigot” interpretation has made it in to a dictionary. My family was originally farmers who tend most of their fields manually or with horse drawn implements…they were “Rednecks” by my old fashioned definition of the term. Half came from Ireland in the late 19th century and rough field work was what they new…plus carpentry, which they brought with them to the USA from their first stop in Canada.
My family were also farmers in the old country. I hold no animosity to farmers. I love farmers, I buy free range eggs from a local farm, the best eggs I’ve ever had.
My father and all of my grandparents were immigrants. They were peasants/farmers in the “Old Country.” I doubt that any of us commenting on this thread think “farmer” when we use the term “redneck.” Roof is a bigot/racist.
Let me add that my “Picture of the Day” is not about Roof. You’re the one who brought his name into the discussion. No one is comparing farmers to the white supremacist Roof.
No “ploy” … Roof was cited because he was the inspiration for more racist blather. He imagined himself as the cartoon displays. The cartoon says it all. And Roof was no “Redneck” and certainly no “farmer” … just a punk little evil weasel who ambushed a very peaceful group of people after spending an hour with them quietly. I regret he did not suffer a similar fate…there is no cure for minds like his and never will be. They fit in no where so they create false worlds for themselves. When they act it out, Charleston is what you get. How Charleston reacted is what impresses me. It is a turning point IMO.
Indeed. It was a reaction Dr. King would have approved of, I think. Such a tragic event could have just as easily gone the other way and ended in more violence. That it didn’t says volumes about the character of Charleston as a community and the directly impacted as individuals. It is one of the strange dichotomies of human nature that tragedy can and often does bring out the worst in us, but it can also bring out the best in us.
Although I understand the demons quite well, I am all for the angels of our better natures.
And these guys are going to lead a revolution?!
Good one, Elaine. And that opinion is from an Independent conservative. I made a similar reference to the phenomena (“evidence to the contrary”) on the John Oliver/SSM thread. We can all differ in opinion, vociferously at times, but we can all recognize an idiot/fool when we see one. Guys with that mentality portrayed in the cartoon will never “lead’ anything, let alone a revolution…they’ll be too busy hiding.
Coincidently, as I may have cited before, I had the misfortune of keeping our horses on 100 acres, across the street from one Robert Miles, one time head of the state’s KKK, later a Hayden Lake aficionado vis a vis the “Aryan Nation”, and finally his own little patch of deluded bliss…”The Mountain Church.” He’d organize 100-200 person “celebrations” of “white power” periodically, including the de rigueur cross burning. His home also had the symbol for Anarchists emblazoned on his house front…and his collection of adherents were an assortment of unapologetic Nazi’s, skinheads, and sundry racists, all scrawny and all white. Mr Miles died a while back and no one local much recalls him anymore…except for bombing of school buses in Pontiac.
I avoided him as best I could, because if we’d come to contretemps, as we certainly would have, the risk was too great: we had too many expensive & endearing horses near him in pasture…and he was the kind who’d sneak up at night to harm or kill the horses. One comical aspect of his rallies were the “security guards” he posted in the bushes around his place, all about as concealed as the floats in Thanksgiving Parades…and all in camo and all with rifles, but totally without any knowledge of how to hold a perimeter. Many had rank insignia & ribbons patched haphazardly on their garb, that they could never have earned, due the dates alone. Any decent infantry squad could have taken them out with ease and then gone to have an early lunch.
This Roof guy reminds me of a Robert Miles mini-me.
The Redneck Brigade.
I. Annie … with all due respect, you insult farmers by calling racists bigots “Rednecks.” Roof was no “Redneck”…from his photos it doesn’t appear he ever did any hard work…even after two rounds of cancer and considerable loss of muscle I am still more sturdy, in my 70’s, than that little weasel. As I’ve said before, I am only sorry he didn’t get killed trying to escape.
“Redneck” has changed meaning over the last several decades, as have many words.
All farmers are not rednecks, and no one thinks that they are, save those who are searching frantically for reasons to be offended.
Victim-hood is so in, these days.
Bob K.,
I am deeply offended by your taking offense at those looking to take offense wherever they can make it.
“Redneck” is an odd term though. Its denotation isn’t necessarily bad although inherently classist. Its connotation though is a sometimes unfair coupling to make the term synonymous with “racist” when the truth is there are probably just as many redneck non-racists as there are more – for lack of a better term – urbane racists. Racism is a behavior that has no delimiting lines in our species. It acts across social, racial and cultural boundaries. Rich or poor, city or rural, educated or not, regardless of the speaker’s race, racism is an error that can and does appear all over the spectrum.
I’m soooooo sorry, lol.😂 I’m glad I didn’t say hillbilly.
I take massive offense at your sorrow over word choice, Annie. :p
I may have to set myself on fire in protest.
I’ll stand by with an extinguisher, because I likes ya. 😝
I believe redneck has more than one definition. From The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language (Third Edition):
Definition 2: One who is regarded as having a provincial, conservative, often bigoted sociopolitical attitude.
I assumed that was the definition that I.Annie had in mind when she wrote the Redneck Brigade. I never thought for a minute that she meant to imply that farmers typically have the same attitude toward black people as Roof.
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Bob K.,
Yes, some folks do look for reasons to be offended.
Precisely correct Elaine.
I am also deeply offended by fire extinguishers and dictionaries.
What really offends me most though? The strong nuclear force. How dare it bind protons, neutrons and their constituent quarks together! Why . . . that takes more nerve than electromagnetism!
I’m offended by gravity. How dare we earthlings be anchored to the earth so cruelly?
chuckle
I don’t know if it offends me, but this dark matter stuff is frightening. Especially because it’s dark.
Elaine … I agree with you vis a vis my comment to I.Annie…I need to polish my tongue in check lines a bit I think. I do stand by my comment that Roof was no “Redneck” … not even close. My reference to farmers was to those have sunburned necks from toiling in the sun light. That’s the old version…Bob K is right, the meaning has been diluted to almost the point of meaninglessness. It is sad that the “bigot” interpretation has made it in to a dictionary. My family was originally farmers who tend most of their fields manually or with horse drawn implements…they were “Rednecks” by my old fashioned definition of the term. Half came from Ireland in the late 19th century and rough field work was what they new…plus carpentry, which they brought with them to the USA from their first stop in Canada.
My family were also farmers in the old country. I hold no animosity to farmers. I love farmers, I buy free range eggs from a local farm, the best eggs I’ve ever had.
Aridog,
My father and all of my grandparents were immigrants. They were peasants/farmers in the “Old Country.” I doubt that any of us commenting on this thread think “farmer” when we use the term “redneck.” Roof is a bigot/racist.
Let me add that my “Picture of the Day” is not about Roof. You’re the one who brought his name into the discussion. No one is comparing farmers to the white supremacist Roof.
Yes exactly Elaine, I was wondering why that reference to Roof was made.
Classic ploy
No “ploy” … Roof was cited because he was the inspiration for more racist blather. He imagined himself as the cartoon displays. The cartoon says it all. And Roof was no “Redneck” and certainly no “farmer” … just a punk little evil weasel who ambushed a very peaceful group of people after spending an hour with them quietly. I regret he did not suffer a similar fate…there is no cure for minds like his and never will be. They fit in no where so they create false worlds for themselves. When they act it out, Charleston is what you get. How Charleston reacted is what impresses me. It is a turning point IMO.
“How Charleston reacted is what impresses me.”
Indeed. It was a reaction Dr. King would have approved of, I think. Such a tragic event could have just as easily gone the other way and ended in more violence. That it didn’t says volumes about the character of Charleston as a community and the directly impacted as individuals. It is one of the strange dichotomies of human nature that tragedy can and often does bring out the worst in us, but it can also bring out the best in us.
Although I understand the demons quite well, I am all for the angels of our better natures.
Gene … Agreed. May it bring out the best in us more often.