Potus45: “I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally.”


Consider it another Trump flip-flop: back in October, Donald Trump told a crowd, “I will totally accept the results of this great and historic presidential election, if I win.” Trump went on to decisively win the Electoral College, but now he is questioning the results anyway. In a tweet this weekend, the president-elect alleged — providing zero evidence — that “millions of people” voted illegally, and that that’s the reason Hillary Clinton won the popular vote.

The latest totals show Hillary Clinton leading Trump in the popular vote by more than 2 million. Trump tweeted on Sunday afternoon, “I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally.” He did not provide evidence to back up that claim, and Trump’s representatives did not immediately respond to a request for more information.

Press secretary Sean Spicer said Mr Trump “does believe that”, but offered no evidence to support the claim when pressed by reporters. Mr Trump has repeated his claim to explain why he lost the popular vote to Democrat Hillary Clinton. “He continues to maintain that belief based on studies and evidence that people have presented to him,” Mr Spicer told reporters on Tuesday.

Trump’s unfounded claim appears to have originated with the website Infowars and radio host Alex Jones, who reported that 3 million people voted illegally, citing flawed evidence. But any notion of widespread voter fraud has been widely rejected.

To his critics, Trump’s claim was the latest egregious example of his being a willing and eager sucker for fake news, or worse.

What does Politifact have to say about this?

Where’s the report?

As evidence of its claim, InfoWars’ headline refers to a report from VoteFraud.org and tweets from Gregg Phillips, whose Twitter profile says he’s the founder of VoteStand, a voter fraud reporting app.

There is no report from VoteFraud.org, however, and Phillips told PolitiFact he is not affiliated with that website. The information comes from tweets made by from Phillips on Nov. 11 and Nov. 13.

Here they are:

We have verified more than three million votes cast by non-citizens.
We are joining .@TrueTheVote to initiate legal action. #unrigged
— Gregg Phillips (@JumpVote) November 13, 2016

Completed analysis of database of 180 million voter registrations.
Number of non-citizen votes exceeds 3 million.
Consulting legal team.
— Gregg Phillips (@JumpVote) November 11, 2016

Who is Gregg Phillips?

AUSTIN, Texas The Sunday after the presidential election, Gregg Phillips, founder of a health care analytics firm in Austin, Texas, tweeted, “We have verified more than three million votes cast by non-citizens. We are joining @truethevote to initiate legal action.”

The next day, Phillips’s assertion, based solely on his tweet, was splashed across the InfoWars site – run by Austin conspiracy theorist Alex Jones – that has become an agitprop site for President-elect Donald Trump, with the headline, “Report: Three Million Votes in Presidential Election Cast by Illegal Aliens. Trump may have won popular vote.” It was quickly picked up by the Drudge Report, a premier aggregator of the web with its own pro-Trump bent, which changed “Report” to “Claim.”

Phillips, a former executive with the Texas Health and Human Services Commission and prolific tweeter on voting fraud, was astonished his tweet was given such prominence. No one had called him.

The Sunday after Thanksgiving, when millions of Americans were watching football, the president-elect, apparently vexed by Hillary Clinton’s more than 2 million vote lead in the popular vote and Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein’s effort to get recounts in three states that Trump narrowly won, turned to Twitter, seemingly inspired by Phillips’ math.

“In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally,” he tweeted.

Trump was lambasted far and wide, and Phillips, whose tweet was quickly pinpointed as his inspiration, was besieged by reporters, fact-checkers and angry tweeters telling him to put up or shut up.

‘Isn’t everything on Twitter fake?’

Phillips’ tweet was a statement of what he thinks he will be able to prove once he is able to analyze True the Vote’s 50-state, 180 million registered voter data base when it is updated to reflect the election — not a statement, as it sounded, of what he was able to prove right now. Any legal action will wait for a Trump Justice Department.

Phillips said he thought Twitter allowed that kind of latitude.

“When did a tweet become news?” Phillips told the American-Statesman. “I’m just like a guy. I’m an ordinary guy. There are billions of tweets every single day and because somebody picked it up, made something of something I wrote, all of a sudden the president-elect is talking about me?”

“Seriously, is a tweet really news?” Phillips said. “Isn’t everything on Twitter fake?”

By the way, there are only 1560 individuals in the database Phillip’s source at “True the vote

The New York Times wrote in its lead editorial Tuesday. “This is a lie, part of Mr. Trump’s pattern, stretching back many years, of disregard for indisputable facts,” and “There is no evidence of illegal voting on even a small scale anywhere in the country, let alone a systematic conspiracy involving `millions.’”

About Terry Welshans

I grew up in Burbank, California. My dad worked at a company that made sub assemblies for about every airplane made in the 1960-1970 era, so it was only natural that the aviation bug bit me while I was quite young. I hold a commercial pilot certificate and fly as much as I can. I live in Bardstown, Kentucky with my wife, moving here after we retired. I am a Vietnam veteran and a cancer survivor. I like to keep politicians honest, and do so when they open an avenue where I feel they have erred.
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13 Responses to Potus45: “I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally.”

  1. Russell says:

    I love Spicers response when grilled by the press, well it was just a conversation, that’s all it was.

    Ok, now the real problem are starting. All Departments but the CDC have been silenced by Trump to have no conversations with the press or with anyone on Capitol Hill. The EPA et al, the administration is trying to remove 31 filings with the Federal Register. It is their stance, that until they are published, they can be pulled. I am like WTF.

  2. Russell says:

    I love the lies of convience, as recalled from reading, “2.4 million illegals voted, it could be as high as 3 million.” You know they are just sore losers, but if you lie enough, it becomes the truth as told. It has become as though Putins Putz is really an idiot.

  3. A few days ago, there were only four proven cases of voter fraud. One of them was a woman who voted in two states…..for Trump.

  4. bigfatmike says:

    “A few days ago, there were only four proven cases of voter fraud. One of them was a woman who voted in two states…”


    If you believe there are 5 million illegal voters you have to believe that either 5 million illegal voters hood winked poll watchers, election officials, and DAs or you have to believe the poll watchers, election officials, and DAs joined in a conspiracy to conceal the 5 million illegal voters.

    Hmmmmm … the Republicans control more than 30 statehouses and 30 governorship’s. Most of those stupid or corrupt poll watchers, election officials and DAs must be Republicans.

    Does any one really want to argue that thousands of Republican state officials were either so stupid of so corrupt they allowed millions of illegal voters to steal the popular vote for Clinton?

    Just imagine, thousands of Republican state officials all working in a conspiracy toward a common goal – make Clinton the winner of the popular vote – or maybe they are stupid.

    • At the presser yesterday, Mara Liaison of NPR tried to pin Spicer down on whether they were going to investigate and prosecute all those illegal voters. He did a tap dance that Fred Astaire would envy.

  5. Russell says:

    WTH is wrong with this picture. All experts say that there was little likelihood that any voter fraud occurred, now Trump tweeted that he is going to launch a Major Investigation into Voter Fraud. I guess he is a sore loser, I guess he is a conspiracy theorist. If I recall, 40 states are heavily republican. I guess he doesn’t even trust his own party. Spiecer is a lying sack of shit and Trump is misconstruing the facts to fit his lies. I think it total bullshit, he is a bully. He is a child, doing childish things, destroying the respect of the office of the president.

    I have a question, what has Kelly Anne Cinway doing, haven’t heard much from her since MTP in Sunday. I realize the week is young, but I would like to hear her version of Alternative Facts.

    She looks worn out. She has more wrinkles than the Ass of an elephant.

    • Terry Welshans says:

      She looks like she has been rode hard and put away wet. It must be very stressful to keep up with her master’s spins/lies. George Orwell would be proud how she has mastered doublespeak/truthspeak.

      1984 is here and now.

      • Russell says:

        Oh yes. Very hard, corncob struck. 1984 is alive and well. Trump is assuring us of that fact.

        I expect Congress to do the correct thing as they realize Trump is morally corrupt, and intellectually dishonest.

  6. pete9999 says:

    They’re going to use this as an excuse for a new round of voter suppression laws.

  7. ann summers says:

    While an important way to poke POTUS45*, this is in the service not only of voter suppression (more specifically the roll purges), which is less federal and of course yet another shiny object to tack away from the high crimes and misdemeanors and until the dramaturgy/choreography of military action

  8. You can’t make this stuff up. Steve Bannon maintains active voter registration in two states: Florida and New York.

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